PBS NewsHour full episode October 18, 2019

PBS NewsHour full episode October 18, 2019


JUDY WOODRUFF: Good evening. I’m Judy Woodruff. On the “NewsHour” tonight: a pause in the
fighting. A cease-fire between Turkish forces and Kurdish
fighters appears to take tentative hold. Then: flight risk. Revelations that Boeing employees knew of
the 737 MAX’s problems years before two fatal crashes. Plus: The artistic achievements of Native
American women have been long overlooked. A new traveling exhibit looks to change that. JILL AHLBERG YOHE, Co-Curator, Hearts of Our
People: This exhibition was really necessary in a non-Native context, because it had never
been explored before. And that was stunning, because something that
is so clear in Native communities wasn’t at all addressed in the art world JUDY WOODRUFF: And it’s Friday. Mark Shields and David Brooks are here to
analyze a dizzying week of news from the impeachment inquiry and the latest developments on Turkey
and Syria. All that and more on tonight’s “NewsHour” (BREAK) JUDY WOODRUFF: The battleground in Northeastern
Syria appears to be quieting tonight. A cease-fire between Turkish forces and Kurdish
fighters is trying to take hold, after getting off to a rocky start. Meanwhile, President Trump’s decision to withdraw
U.S. troops from Syria is bring more bipartisan condemnation on Capitol Hill. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell today
wrote an opinion article for The Washington Post, calling the decision a grave mistake. Amna Nawaz has our report. AMNA NAWAZ: Thick plumes of smoke billowed
above the Syrian border town of Ras al-Ayn this morning, hours after the cease-fire officially
began. Activists and a Syrian war monitor said Turkish
troops shelled Kurdish forces, but reports from the area said fighting largely subsided
by midday. In Istanbul, Turkish President Recep Tayyip
Erdogan denied any fighting had continued. RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, Turkish President (through
translator): I do not know where you receive information from, but, according to the ones
I get from my defense minister, there are no ongoing clashes. All of these are speculations and misinformation. AMNA NAWAZ: And in Washington, President Trump
also said, after speaking with Erdogan, the cease-fire was holding. DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States:
There was some sniper fire this morning. There was mortar fire this morning. That was eliminated quickly. And they’re back to the full pause. AMNA NAWAZ: Mr. Trump also claims that the
five-day cease-fire will save — quote — “millions of lives.” The Turks cast it as a complete victory that
grants them a 20-mile-wide so-called safe zone in Northeastern Syria free of Syrian
Kurdish fighters and stretching to the Iraqi frontier. Erdogan insisted today, what happens next
is up to the Kurds and the U.S. RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN (through translator):
If the United States is able to keep the promises it gave us, the issue of a safe zone will
have been resolved. But if this promise is not kept, our operation
will resume from where it left off in an even more determined way. AMNA NAWAZ: Already, U.N. chemical weapons
inspectors are investigating reports that the Turkish military used white phosphorous
munitions this week, severely burning a number of children. In Brussels today, the head of the European
Union Council, Donald Tusk, called for Turkey to immediately halt its operation for good. DONALD TUSK, European Council President: This
is not what we expected. In fact, it’s not a cease-fire. It’s a demand of capitulation of the Kurds. AMNA NAWAZ: Last night, at a rally in Texas,
President Trump likened the Turkish offensive against the Kurds to children squabbling. DONALD TRUMP: Sometimes, you have to let them
fight. Like two kids in a lot, you got to let them
fight. And then you pull them apart. AMNA NAWAZ: But that fighting has also triggered
another humanitarian crisis in Syria. The United Nations Refugee Agency reports
some 166,000 civilians, many of them Syrian Kurds, have fled the violence. About 1,000 of the displaced crossed into
Northern Iraq. ABDUL-HAKIM HUSSEIN, Displaced Syrian Kurd
in Iraq (through translator): We don’t trust Turkey or the cease-fire agreement. They are talking about a cease-fire while
the bombardment is still going on. AMNA NAWAZ: Back in Washington, Defense Secretary
Mark Esper said today that U.S. forces are continuing their withdrawal from Northeastern
Syria. And he said the troops will not be helping
to enforce the Turkish safe zone. Meanwhile, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
was in Jerusalem meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Pompeo sought to reaffirm U.S. support, even
as President Trump vows to reduce the overall American troop presence in the Middle East. For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m Amna Nawaz. JUDY WOODRUFF: In the day’s other news: President
Trump faced new concerns and discontent in Republican ranks over the issue that launched
the impeachment inquiry. That is after acting White House Chief of
Staff Mick Mulvaney acknowledged the president did tie military aid for Ukraine to an investigation
of Democrats. Mulvaney later denied any quid pro quo. But, today, Republican Congressman Francis
Rooney of Florida said that Mulvaney cannot simply erase his initial comments or, as he
put it, “It’s not an Etch A Sketch.” REP. FRANCIS ROONEY (R-FL): Whatever might have
been gray and unclear before is certainly quite clear right now, that the actions were
related to getting some — the Ukraine to do some of these things. JUDY WOODRUFF: Another prominent Republican,
former Ohio Governor John Kasich, said today that he now supports impeachment. We will talk to him later in the program. Boeing is facing new questions about whether
it was up front with federal safety regulators over the grounded 737 MAX aircraft. At issue are instant messages from a Boeing
pilot who, in his words, lied unknowingly to officials about a new flight control system. That system is now linked with two crashes
that killed 346 people. We will examine this in full later in the
program. In Lebanon, thousands of protesters turned
out for a second day, angry over a proposed tax hike and general economic chaos. Crowds in Beirut faced off with police, demanding
the government resign. Later, the police fired tear gas and water
cannon, as Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri appealed for reforms. SAAD HARIRI, Lebanese Prime Minister (through
translator): I personally gave myself a very short time for our partners in the government
to give a clear and final answer that will convince those who are expressing their anger. All parties should make the decision to reform
and to stop overspending and corruption. JUDY WOODRUFF: Hariri said he was setting
a deadline of 72 hours for his coalition partners to agree. More than half-a-million people marched in
Barcelona, Spain, today demanding independence for Catalonia and freedom for jailed separatists. Vast crowds marched peacefully for the most
part. But, later, a few hundred masked youth set
trash containers on fire and threw rocks. Riot police fired back with rubber bullets. In Eastern Afghanistan, a bomb exploded in
a mosque during Friday prayers, killing at least 62 worshipers. Hospitals in Nangarhar province scrambled
to treat the wounded, including children. It underscored a U.N. report that Afghan civilians
are dying in record numbers. There was no immediate claim of responsibility
for the bombing. Back in this country, the brother of the president
of Honduras was convicted in New York on drug trafficking charges. Federal prosecutors said Juan Antonio Hernandez
smuggled more than 200 tons of cocaine into the U.S. since 2010. His brother, Honduran President Juan Orlando
Hernandez, was labeled a co-conspirator, but he wasn’t charged. In Chicago, public school teachers walked
picket lines for a second day. Schools stayed closed for more than 300,000
students in the country’s third largest public school system. With more than 26,000 teachers on strike,
union leaders reported some progress in negotiations. Mayor Lori Lightfoot said there needs to be
more. LORI LIGHTFOOT, Mayor of Chicago, Illinois:
We put a fulsome, comprehensive offer on the table. And as I have said now for many weeks, they
need to respond in kind with a comprehensive counteroffer. And we need to be at the table every single
day, seven days a week, at least 10 hours a day, until we get a deal done. JUDY WOODRUFF: Lightfoot said that the school
district has offered a 16 percent raise for teachers over five years, plus smaller class
sizes. Tropical Storm Nestor is threatening the Southeastern
U.S. after forming in the Gulf of Mexico today. It is expected to make landfall early tomorrow
near Mexico Beach, Florida, a town nearly destroyed by Hurricane Michael a year ago. This new storm could bring high winds, but
it also promises several inches of rain in a region suffering from drought. President Trump said today that he will nominate
Dan Brouillette to be the next secretary of energy. He is now deputy to Secretary Rick Perry,
who plans to leave the post by year’s end. Perry said today that his departure is not
related to the Ukraine impeachment investigation, but his department formally rejected House
subpoenas for documents. And on Wall Street, stocks closed out the
week on a down note. The Dow Jones industrial average lost 255
points to close at 26770. The Nasdaq fell 67 points, and the S&P 500
slipped 11. Still to come on the “NewsHour”: security
forces in Mexico clash with cartel gunmen; sending bystanders running for cover; flight
risk — new details on when Boeing employees knew about their plane’s deadly flaw; a conversation
with Republican John Kasich, who is now saying President Trump should be impeached; Mark
Shields and David Brooks break down a busy weekend political news; and much more. The Mexican state of Sinaloa erupted into
violence Thursday,as police captured and then released the son of drug kingpin Joaquin “El
Chapo” Guzman. The failed raid has called into question the
Mexican government’s ability to contain drug violence. Nick Schifrin explores what this says about
the capabilities of the United States’ top ally in the fight against illegal narcotics. NICK SCHIFRIN: The descent into chaos played
out on social media. A phalanx of Mexican security forces deploy
to a neighborhood controlled by the powerful locally based drug cartel and capture their
target, Ovidio Guzman Lopez, who now runs the family business built by his father, known
as El Chapo, Mexico’s most infamous drug lord, now in a U.S. prison. But then the cartel called in the cavalry. With music blaring and phones filming, gunmen
with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades raced to the rescue. They deployed a .50-caliber machine gun that’s
so heavy, it’s attached to the back of a truck. And the mayhem began. For more than four hours, cartel militia members
and Mexican soldiers fought in the streets and paralyzed Culiacan. The violence left vehicles burning and dead
bodies in the middle of the city in the middle of the day. For residents, it was absolutely terrifying. They fled for their lives, this woman carrying
her baby in her arms. And on a nearby road, a father shields his
daughter. “Daddy, can we get up?” she asks. “No, my love,” he says. This level of violence is stunning even in
a country known for violence, and it’s never happened in this city. Here in the capital of Sinaloa state, the
Sinaloa cartel, long led by El Chapo even when on the run from Mexican and U.S. authorities,
controlled the city and kept the peace. And as residents searched for safety and the
gun battles mounted, the cartel took soldiers hostage. And that’s when the government released the
kingpin they’d captured, having achieved nothing, except for the death of eight people. Today, Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez
Obrador defended the decision to retreat. ANDRES MANUEL LOPEZ OBRADOR, Mexican President
(through translator): The capture of one delinquent cannot be worth more than the lives of people. DENISE DRESSER, Political Analyst: I think
what happened in Culiacan was a big mistake for the Lopez Obrador administration on all
fronts, tactical, strategic. It evidences the contradictions of his efforts
to pacify the country. NICK SCHIFRIN: Denise Dresser is a Mexican
political analyst. She calls the operation a copy of Lopez Obrador’s
predecessors. In 2006, newly elected president Felipe Calderon
officially declared war against the cartels. Armed forces began conducting deadly raids. They publicized their spoils, parading kingpins
and weapons and showing off contraband. The operations weakened the cartels, but also
set them against each other and increased overall violence. In 2014, 43 students went missing after they
commandeered a school bus to get to a protest. Every anniversary, demonstrators call to end
the violence, and that frustration helped get Lopez Obrador elected. He promised to be different. ANDRES MANUEL LOPEZ OBRADOR (through translator):
You can’t fight violence with violence. You can’t put out fire with fire. You can’t fight evil with evil. DENISE DRESSER: Hugs and not bullets, he says. And what happened yesterday simply shows that
the Mexican state and his Mexican government in particular are failing at their mission
to pacify the country. He is simply reproducing the failed strategy
of his predecessors, which was to go after drug kingpins with the hope that that would
dismantle cartels. And all it produces is further violence. NICK SCHIFRIN: Soldiers launched the raid
with no arrest warrant and apparently no plan for extraction. And by failing to achieve their objective,
the cartels become stronger, Dresser argues. DENISE DRESSER: The more that the Lopez Obrador
administration proceeds with these ill-conceived attempts to seize drug kingpins and then backs
away, it’s sending the message to cartels that they can basically do what they want. NICK SCHIFRIN: Today in Culiacan, they saluted
the caskets of slain officers, and police families grieved for the husbands and fathers
who’d been killed. But they were also angry. They shouted down the local governor, saying
he had sent their family members to the slaughterhouse. He vowed their deaths wouldn’t be in vain. But, today, the kingpin is free, and the cartel
still runs the city, just as it did yesterday. For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m Nick Schifrin. JUDY WOODRUFF: Newly revealed messages from
Boeing pilots show that the company has known for several months now that there were concerns
being raised by pilots about the 737 MAX’s safety. It’s leading to questions of whether Boeing
misled the Federal Aviation Administration. Amna Nawaz is back with the story. AMNA NAWAZ: That’s right, Judy. The messages in question were sent by a Boeing
pilot back in 2016. That was more than two years before two fatal
airline crashes involving that 737 MAX. Those crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia killed
346 people. Now, an automated flight control and anti-stall
system that is known as MCAS is at the heart of ongoing investigations. When the system was still being certified
in 2016, the Boeing pilot messaged a second pilot, saying the system was difficult to
control in flight simulations. In some of the messages, he wrote this — quote
— “Granted, I suck at flying, but even this was egregious.” And then there are — quote — “some real
fundamental issues that they claim they’re aware of.” Now, Boeing has insisted there were no serious
problems during that certification period. But the head of FAA wrote to Boeing today,
asking why the company had not told the government about these messages months ago. David Shepardson of Reuters first broke this
story. He joins me now. Welcome back to “NewsHour.” DAVID SHEPARDSON, Reuters: Thanks. AMNA NAWAZ: So, at the time of the certification
process in 2016, what role are these pilots supposed to be playing? DAVID SHEPARDSON: Right. So, their job is to convince the FAA that
this system is safe under a variety of different simulations, different tests, different various
flight patterns. And during this period, they uncovered, it
appears in these messages, more problems with MCAS, this anti-stall system, than was aware,
because, remember, this system was designed to address the potential that the new plane,
with bigger engines, more fuel-efficient, would stall, would tend to push its nose to
the ground. And Boeing has said this system would just
operate in the background. It wouldn’t — pilots didn’t even need to
know about. It wouldn’t be in the fight manual. And what these messages show or suggest is
that, at least internally, there were more concerns raised about the system than we knew
about. AMNA NAWAZ: Do we have any idea how this conversation
went from here, if it got reported up, if it went all the way up to Boeing executives? DAVID SHEPARDSON: We don’t know that. There are — the Justice Department, the FBI,
the inspector general from the DOT, there are a lot of reviews going on looking at this
very question. We do know there are a lot of concerns that
have been raised in a couple of reports about how the FAA delegates much of the responsibility
for certifying new planes to Boeing itself. And, as a result, Congress today is saying,
hey, we need to take a look at this whole process. Should Boeing be doing much of the work of
certifying the plane that the FAA is responsible for? AMNA NAWAZ: Now, the company, as mentioned,
they found these a few months ago. Why are we just finding out about them right
now? DAVID SHEPARDSON: Well, it goes back to this
issue about the Justice Department. So they — Boeing turned these documents,
we have now learned, over to the FBI in February. And there is some concern about whether — were
there other reasons why — if the FAA’s role or DOT’s role in that certification is being
investigated, was that a legitimate reason for Boeing not to turn those over? I mean, FAA today said, we need those documents. We’re trying to review, ensure that the new
MCAS, when this plane goes back into service, operates properly, and we need to see everything. So — and the question is, are there more
documents? Are there are other shoes to drop about other
concerns about this system? AMNA NAWAZ: And the real heart of this is
the question about what they knew about the MCAS system, based on what we know, in terms
of the role they played in those two fatal crashes, right? DAVID SHEPARDSON: Absolutely, because, remember,
this issue is about the fact that it’s just a misfire, because it got conflicting data
from these sensors on the outside of the airplane. And it only took data from — that had they
had additional safeguards, like the ones that the FAA is demanding now, potentially, could
you have prevented those two crashes? AMNA NAWAZ: Now, the FAA says it’s not going
to lift the grounding on the 737 MAXes until they determine that they are safe to fly. Does these — this new revelation, these messages,
these earlier concerns, does that complicate this process in any way? DAVID SHEPARDSON: Well, it’s certainly more
bad news. We just saw this week that Southwest Airlines,
the largest operator of these planes, has delayed their flights until at least February. Other U.S. airlines are until January. And I do think — I talked to the chairman
of the House Transportation Committee. He said, these do suggest that the FAA needs
to make sure that Boeing is being completely up front, there are no other documents or
other issues about MCAS that aren’t fully resolved. And, look, every deadline so far has been
missed. I mean, this plane was supposed to back in
the air a long time ago. We’re still waiting for a certification flight
first. And then that’s at least another month or
six weeks beyond that, the earliest this plane could go back in the air. So it’s certainly not good news. And, also, remember, the public has to be
confident that they can go back in these airplanes. And that’s probably the bigger issue. Will people go back on the planes once the
FAA gives the OK? AMNA NAWAZ: Meanwhile, at the same time, Boeing’s
chief executive, Dennis Muilenburg, is going to be testifying on Capitol Hill both before
a Senate and a House committee. What are some of those key questions you think
need to be answered right now? DAVID SHEPARDSON: Well, first, he lost his
title as chairman only one week ago today. The board stripped him of that title. And, no, he’s going to be asked a lot of questions. How come no one at Boeing has been disciplined
or fired as a result of this? Is it really your position that Boeing did
nothing wrong? I mean, their — publicly, they have said,
we — our only goal is to make a safe plane safer. And I think that’s the key questions that
are going to be asked. Did Boeing make mistakes? Was this a preventable tragedy? What exactly did Boeing know about this key
safety system? Did regulators know enough? And does the whole system of how planes are
certified to operate need to be changed? AMNA NAWAZ: I should point out, again, you
first broke this story. These are just some of the messages you have
been able to uncover. DAVID SHEPARDSON: Right. AMNA NAWAZ: Do you expect there could be more? DAVID SHEPARDSON: Well, just late tonight,
another 10 pages of e-mails went from the FAA to Congress from the same pilot involved
in these — in the internal text messages. So that sheds a little more light. They’re not as explosive as what we have seen
so far. But, no, I think, between the FBI, the I.G.
and others, more is going to come out about, what exactly did Boeing know internally during
that period? AMNA NAWAZ: We will be following your reporting,
for sure. David Shepardson of Reuters, thanks so much
for being here. DAVID SHEPARDSON: Thanks. JUDY WOODRUFF: Former Ohio Governor John Kasich
served in public office for over three decades. But, in his new book, “It’s Up to Us,” he
calls on the American people to pay less attention to the president and the dramas in Washington. Instead, Kasich urges individual Americans
to focus on the ability each one has to move their community and the country forward. Governor John Kasich, welcome back to the
“NewsHour.” JOHN KASICH (R), Former Ohio Governor: Always
great to be with you. JUDY WOODRUFF: So, I do want to ask you about
the book. But I first want to ask you about the news
of the day. And you have made some news yourself. You said today that you have now come around
to the view that President Trump should be impeached by the House of Representatives. Why? JOHN KASICH: Well, first of all, Judy, I thought
there should have been an impeachment inquiry from the very beginning. In fact, I think the Democrats should have
a vote in the full House on the inquiry. It gives it credibility. It gives it transparency. And I think that’s very important. What was hanging me up about the call that
the president made to the president of Ukraine was, was there a quid pro quo? And there’s so much going on in this drama
yesterday, with Sondland and text messages between him and Taylor and Volker. Those had me greatly concerned. JUDY WOODRUFF: Different diplomats. JOHN KASICH: Yes, all the testimonies. But when Mulvaney said, it’s absolutely true
that we withheld aid until they agreed to go back and do an investigation of the 2016
election, withholding aid from a country like Ukraine that lives in the shadow of the — of
Russia, it’s got troops on their land, there’s no excuse for that. (CROSSTALK) JUDY WOODRUFF: But, as you know, though, Mick
Mulvaney said then, he said again today, hey, there’s political influence in American foreign
policy. Get over it. In fact, the Trump campaign is now today selling
T-shirts with “Get over it.” JOHN KASICH: Yes. Well, look, it’s one thing for a president
to be able to pull aid from a country based on public policy. But it’s another thing to say — to dangle
aid, vital military aid, over the head of a nation that’s fighting literally for their
survival, and so — and based on politics, based on just, you got to go do this investigation
we want. And we don’t want any president to do that. And I don’t come to this — this is really,
really hard for me. I’m — it’s a really sad day for me. I don’t want to have to be doing this. But when I look at it — and I have responsibility
to respond to questions. I felt this was absolutely the right thing
to do. So I feel good about what I have said. But I’m saddened at the same time. JUDY WOODRUFF: As you know, though, John Kasich,
President Trump said — and he again — he said it again last night — I’m unconventional. I do things in a different way. Why isn’t he, in his words, allowed to do
things in a way we have never seen before? JOHN KASICH: Well, because there’s appropriate
ways in which a president should conduct himself in office, keeping in mind that there can’t
be things like an abuse of power. Everyone’s held accountable. And if the president had said, I’m not going
to give any money to Ukraine because I think there’s too much corruption, well, that’d
be OK with me. But to say that, I’m going to withhold this
aid until you want — meet — with until you do what I want you to do politically, which
is what the chief of staff said yesterday — and no matter how hard they try, they can’t
take those words back, because that demon — that gives us a window into the way they
were thinking there. JUDY WOODRUFF: So you’re saying, if you were
in the House today, you would vote for impeachment? JOHN KASICH: I would. JUDY WOODRUFF: Which is equivalent in criminal
law to an indictment. JOHN KASICH: Right. JUDY WOODRUFF: It’s a statement of charges. What about convicting him, which is what the
Senate would be asked… JOHN KASICH: Well, I think I would like to
see what the articles of impeachment are that — whatever the House comes up with. And at the same time, Judy, I think it’s important
for the Democrats to try to bring Republicans along. And what Republicans have to ask themselves,
because we are now so tribal, we’re so partisan, is it right for any president to dangle foreign
aid for the survival of a country in a quid pro quo that, you need to investigate either
your political rival or some political manipulation or political investigation? I think the answer is no. We have to have guardrails in which our presidents
and leaders have to operate. JUDY WOODRUFF: So are you ready to say he
should be removed from office? JOHN KASICH: I want the process to go forward. For me to say impeachment, that’s like as
hard as it gets for me. And that indicates, I think, there’s enough
there to be able to do that. But that’s the job of the Senate. And we all have to slow down and let this
process take its place. JUDY WOODRUFF: There are so few Republicans
in Congress — in fact, virtually… JOHN KASICH: None. JUDY WOODRUFF: … none, who agree with you
right now. JOHN KASICH: Yes. JUDY WOODRUFF: Why — why so few? JOHN KASICH: Well, again, it’s tribal. We’re going to protect our guy. And I just wish this would go away. I mean, what has been amazing to me is, they’re
not even saying that that phone call was wrong. And they won’t say, of course, that you want
to have an impeachment inquiry, but when the mass majority of Americans now are saying
that this is necessary, we need to get to the bottom of it. But you know what? It’s now. Tomorrow is a different day. And as more people testify, as there’s more
witnesses, everybody will have to judge for themselves. I’m not going to beat anybody else up into
having the opinion I have. It’s just that — look, it was so hard for
me to vote to impeach Clinton when he was up. And I struggled over that, but I decided to
do it. This is not the area of government that I
like to focus on, scandal and impeachment. But we all have our responsibilities to do
and say some things, even when we have to get out of our comfort zone. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, in fact, your book is
about, don’t focus so much on Washington. The title is, “It’s Up to Us.” You’re saying the American people have the
ability, they have the obligation to themselves try to make the country better, their community
better. JOHN KASICH: Well, live a life — yes, live
a life a little bigger than themselves. We all have certain gifts. You have them. The people watching have them. And they’re given to us. And we’re expected to be healers in the world. We’re not expected to be dividers. And we need to get out of our silos. We need to put ourselves in other people’s
shoes. And we need to take care of things where we
live. And that doesn’t mean that, sometimes, those
actions don’t result in big global things, like Greta Thunberg, the 16-year-old girl
who held a sign and created a global movement, or those young people at Parkland in Florida
who pushed gun control through the Florida legislature. But there’s also stories in here about people. One girl, she lives in Illinois. She was 5 years old when Hurricane Florence
was coming. Her name was Florence. She told her mom: “They’re not going to like
me, because my name is Florence, and that storm is horrible. I got to go get Band-Aids.” And she and her brother went around the neighborhood
in a little red wagon. And when they collected supplies, they filled
the garage, and somebody took a tractor-trailer down to North Carolina. Now, did she change the world? She most certainly did. JUDY WOODRUFF: What do you say to the people
who voted for Donald Trump in 2016? There were 60-some million of them, who many
of them have told us and they have told others, I voted for him because I wanted change. I didn’t like what was going on in Washington. I thought he was going to bring the change. What do you say to them? JOHN KASICH: Well, they have to look in the
mirror and ask themselves honestly, did he bring the change that he promised? I mean, are there more steel mills? Are there more cars being made, all those
kinds of — are there more auto plants open? And how do I feel about the rhetoric? This whole business of bullying, to some degree,
I have had people argue in this — who work in schools that, somehow, bullying has become
more acceptable. It — look, I don’t like this, Judy. I don’t like to have to say these things about
our president. But when I look at it, when I look at the
scale of his policies and the behavior that divides us, something has to be done about
it. But that’s not why I’m for impeachment. I’m for impeachment because of what I think
is the quid pro quo, bringing politics into foreign aid, and putting other nations at
risk. JUDY WOODRUFF: John Kasich, the former governor
of Ohio, former congressman. The book is “It’s Up to Us: Ten Little Ways
We Can Bring About Big Change.” Thank you. JOHN KASICH: It’s for the young, for the middle-aged,
and it’s for our seniors. JUDY WOODRUFF: Thank you. JOHN KASICH: Thank you. JUDY WOODRUFF: Stay with us. Coming up on the “NewsHour”: a new exhibit
puts an overdue spotlight on the artistic achievements of Native American women; and
an astronomical milestone, the first all-woman space walk. And now to the analysis of Shields and Brooks. That’s syndicated columnist Mark Shields and
New York Times columnist David Brooks. Hello to both of you. So let’s pick up, Mark, with where — with
my conversation just then with John Kasich. He said he reluctantly has come to the place,
after hearing and following what’s gone on in the last couple of days, that President
Trump should be impeached. Now, he’s only one of a very few Republicans. But do you see, given all the events of this
week, the testimony before Congress, what Mick Mulvaney said yesterday, that this argument
for impeachment is getting stronger? MARK SHIELDS: Yes, it most certainly is, Judy. I’d say right now that there’s two dozen,
maybe headed to three dozen House Republicans will end up voting for impeachment at the
current velocity. JUDY WOODRUFF: In the House? MARK SHIELDS: In the House. And I don’t think there’s any question about
it. I mean, it’s — you can feel it. Just put yourself in the shoes of trying to
be a defender of the president, a supporter of the president. You wake up on an hourly basis — or certainly
a daily basis, and almost hourly now, you’re hit with another thunderbolt. What is it? It’s foreign policy. It’s Mick Mulvaney in a condescending, antagonistic,
stupid — you understood why he’s never been the spokesman, why he’s never had a press
conference before — harmful. You can’t defend the president. So what Republicans are doing, if you will
notice — and led by FOX News — is, they’re attacking Democrats, is what they’re doing. There’s no defense. And so I just think you can feel support shrinking. JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you — how do you assess
this? DAVID BROOKS: Yes. I mean, if your defense was, there was no
quid pro quo, it’s pretty hard to stand on that ground by now. What we have learned over the last two weeks
or three weeks is that the transcript we heard several weeks ago now, it was true. We learned on the transcript — for me, if
you read the transcript, there was a quid pro quo. MARK SHIELDS: That’s right. DAVID BROOKS: And now we have testimony from
Fiona Hill, who was the deputy secretary of state for Ukraine, that there was quid pro
quo, basically, that it Trump was doing this, there was a separate foreign policy run by
Trump and Giuliani, bypassing the normal foreign policy apparatus. And there have been a whole series of witnesses
that have basically attested to that. Mulvaney puts the exclamation point. So, if that was your defense, then it’s hard
not to vote for impeachment. If your defense is, this doesn’t rise to the
level of impeachment, then you can still wriggle out of it. And I suspect that’s where the Senate Republicans
will go. I do not see — I see John Kasich, who has
been, like, the number one Trump critic in the Republican Party, is here. Congressman Rooney is here. JUDY WOODRUFF: Right. DAVID BROOKS: But, so far, there aren’t many
others. And I’m skeptical that you will see too many
Republican senators. JUDY WOODRUFF: So what is the argument that
Republicans are hanging on — hanging there belief to, that — you’re just alluding to
this — that this is not an impeachable offense? Is it what the president is saying, that I’m
unconventional? Is it, we’re always asking foreign countries
to do something for us? DAVID BROOKS: Yes. Well, I think, right now, it’s a position
in search of an argument. So they know where they are, because they
know where their voters are, and they’re terrified of their voters. And they have got to find some rationalization
to explain why they are. And this seems to be the most rational rationalization. This is what countries do all the time, and
the president was defending American interests, and the media is out to get him. And that’s an argument that sort of makes
itself. Whether it’s compelling to anybody else doesn’t
really matter, because it has to — the Republicans are the ones that have to move. JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Mark, if David’s right
— even if it passes in the House, if there’s an impeachment vote in the House, but go to
the Senate, that there’s not the votes in the Senate? What’s… (CROSSTALK) MARK SHIELDS: There are not the votes today,
Judy. But think where we were two weeks ago. I mean, this thing is moving at a pace and
a velocity that I don’t think any of us could have predicted. And after this week, I mean, we haven’t even
talked about the cave, the capitulation, the total — David mentioned he’s doing this in
the national interest. I mean, we saw a demonstration of the national
interest this week. I mean, there’s no way anybody could look
at that and have confidence in this man, let alone this administration. JUDY WOODRUFF: You’re talking about Syria
and Turkey. MARK SHIELDS: Yes. Talking about Syria. Talking about the abandonment, because just
think, think if you were South Korea today, all right? You’re surrounded. On one side, you got China, a menacing force,
not that far off your shore. You have got North Korea and a certified madman
on your border. And what have you relied on? The good word, the trust, the honor of the
United States of America. And we saw that just absolutely trashed and
abandoned this week in the Middle East by the president. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, David, let’s talk about
that. I mean, this decision, it came sort of out
of the blue. People didn’t know about it. And then we learned the president had given
— the administration said it wasn’t a green light. But the Turks have gone in, and they are — they
have now been given permission basically by the U.S. to control that so-called safe zone. DAVID BROOKS: Yes. Fareed Zakaria mentioned there’s never been
a moment that he could think of where a bad decision was made, and the blunder came immediately,
the results and the catastrophe came right away. And it was a total win for Erdogan and the
Turks, a total win for Syria, and a total win for Russia, because the Turks get to do
their ethnic cleansing. The Syrians get to go into the region. The Russians have been trying to get into
the region. Now they get to walk into the region. The Russians have — or the Iranians have
a proxy. So it was a — the score was 56 Erdogan, zero
for Trump, and zero for the United States. And I think this is — what’s shocking is
just the moral — not only the incompetence. I mean, the letter Trump wrote to Erdogan
could have been written by a kindergartner. It was — it didn’t look like an official
government letter. And then the — just the moral callousness
of having no remorse about the deaths and the cleansing. I think it’s — I think this, combined with
impeachment, is what shakes people. This is a more shocking event. And it goes against a generation of Republican
and American foreign policy to be a stabilizing force in that region. And it was also a sign — and I think this
is where — the way — the only way I can see that you really get to some erasure — some
erosion from the Republican side — is a lot of Republicans think, well, we had Kelly there
for a little. Mattis was there for a little while. We had some sane people controlling him. The controls are gone. And this guy’s spinning wildly out of control. And I think that could be a conclusion that
people would reach. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, in fact, Mark, just — we
just reported tonight that we learned that Mitch McConnell, Senate Republican leader,
has written a piece — opinion piece for The Washington Post, saying it was a grave mistake,
what the president did. It’s not every day that Mitch McConnell separates
himself from the president like this. MARK SHIELDS: No, it certainly isn’t. And I just think — I think it’s quite serious. I think Republicans I talk to are, frankly,
nervous. They’re nervous about the governorship in
Mitch McConnell’s home state, losing that, about losing both houses of the Virginia legislature. These elections, Judy, are just basically
10 days away. And it’s a — it’s really — and they’re concerned
that they lose again in Louisiana, the Democrats elected there. Those are red states, purple states that they’re
losing. And if Donald Trump is there, they’re going
to go into 2020 just blissfully, having sustained enormous losses in red states in November
of 2019, and watching this happen. I mean, this is — this is truly — when — the
Turks said, we got everything we wanted, the easiest negotiation we have ever had. Erdogan took the president’s letter, put it
in the trash can, but he’s not forgetting what was in it, was, don’t be a fool. I mean, I don’t know how, at any point, you
could defend, explain, apologize or say, let’s go forward. Let’s get four more years of this. JUDY WOODRUFF: You mentioned 2020. And once again, David, it looks as if the
Democrats are being overshadowed, but they did have a debate this week, all 12 of them
on the stage. What’s the shape of that race after this? DAVID BROOKS: Well, I mean, this is why Republicans
hang with Trump, because they look at the Democratic debates and say, anything but that. And so I think we’re writing off Biden too
fast. If you still look at the polls — the media
is sort of saying, Elizabeth Warren is the front-runner. I think there are at least two front-runners. Biden is still doing very well in the polls. He still has a solid base of support. Warren has got to have an answer for how she’s
going to pay for her health care plan. There was an Urban Institute report that came
out this week suggesting it will cost $32 trillion. That would mean the federal government would
grow by 60 percent with this one program alone. That was a bigger growth than all of World
War II. Taxes would go up by 50 percent. You have got find a way to pay for that. And if you don’t do that, you don’t look serious. And people like Pete Buttigieg and all the
rest have a very easy lane to go after you for having plans that don’t make any sense. JUDY WOODRUFF: Is she vulnerable, Mark? How vulnerable is she on this health care,
Medicare for all? MARK SHIELDS: Well, I think she is. I think, when you run as the, I’m tell it
like it is, keep the big boys honest, theme, and then you dudge and dock — dodge and duck,
rather, as she did, adroitly or adroitly, to what’s the cost going to be, and she stands
in contrast, in a strange way — Bernie Sanders indicts her, because Bernie Sanders says,
yes, it’s going to cost more, and I will tell you that. So — and I think it was an acknowledgement
that she is a front-runner, if not the co-front-runner, a front-runner, the front-runner, by the fact
that everybody went after her. There was a fear that she was going to run
away with the race. And I think, whether it was Buttigieg, or
Klobuchar, or Beto O’Rourke, or Tulsi Gabbard, they all — Joe Biden himself — they all
tried to bring her back to earth. But, no, I think it is quite serious. And I think it’s central to — she thinks
that she’s going to get away with that in the fall — or any Democrat does in 2020,
that’s not going to be the case. As far as Joe Biden is concerned, I don’t
think he’s had a really good debate. And he almost had an advantage that she became
the lightning rod, she, Elizabeth Warren. And I think other Democrats went a little
bit easy on him because of Hunter Biden, which is this allegation about his son. It was absolutely inappropriate and wrong
for the vice president’s son to be involved in a company he had no knowledge of in a country
he knew no knowledge of, simply because his father was vice president. JUDY WOODRUFF: What about Bernie Sanders,
David? I mean, he’s still on the stage. He did have a health issue, the heart attack,
a few weeks ago. He came back. He looked pretty vigorous standing there. He’s still in this contest. DAVID BROOKS: He’s still in this race. He has a core of support. Whether it can grow beyond what he had last
time, it doesn’t seem clear. It seems more of the energy and more of the
growth and more of the interest is on the Warren side. One of the things I’m interested in is how
volatile this race could be. Usually, in the last few months, the last
month, you see a lot of ups and downs, a lot of people rising out of nowhere. I wonder if the people are paying such close
attention, unprecedented levels of attention this year, that things are much more baked
in. So far, we have only seen gradual rises and
falls. The final thing I have observed this week
is, in the Iowa polls, if not the national polls, Pete Buttigieg is doing pretty well. He’s — the two leaders are around 22, and
he’s around 17. So he’s right in there. And if he comes on strong in Iowa, that could
set him up for some sort of momentum ride for the ensuing weeks. MARK SHIELDS: He’s definitely a threat. I mean, he’s going after the Biden vote. I thought he had a good debate. I thought there were two missed moments. Elizabeth Warren, when Joe Biden raised the
point about, I sponsored and fought to get your financial advisory board committee passed
by the Senate, she just says, thank you, Joe — said, thank you, President Obama. And I thought Pete Buttigieg looked like he
was spoiling for a fight in going after Beto O’Rourke, I mean, sort of a, don’t go after
my honor, my integrity. JUDY WOODRUFF: You mean in addition to Warren,
yes. MARK SHIELDS: Yes, I mean, it was like he
had a line he was going to deliver. Amy Klobuchar, again, was the most organically
humorous, naturally humorous person in the debate, which means something to me. JUDY WOODRUFF: Before we go, I do want to
raise the passing of Elijah Cummings, Mark, David, somebody who served a long time in
the Congress, part of the House leadership, had been in the civil rights movement before
then. I — we just learned tonight that Speaker
Pelosi will have his remains lying in state at the Capitol next week. MARK SHIELDS: A remarkable man, a truly remarkable
man, I’d say a giant, some would say a gentle giant, eloquent. But just a quick little anecdote about Elijah
Cummings. Trey Gowdy is a white Republican from South
Carolina, a fierce conservative, on the same committee. They crossed swords. They spent time together. And Trey Gowdy said — found out that he’d
grown up in the same area of South Carolina as Cummings’ family. And he said, why did they leave? And he said, so our children, myself could
get an education. And the conversation ended up with them both
in tears. SNow, that doesn’t happen in Washington. That doesn’t happen, where you have caricature
and have cartoon cutouts of your adversaries and just sneer at them. I mean, he was that strong a man, that he
could show the weakness and the gentleness of him. And he will be missed. He was truly the North Star. DAVID BROOKS: Yes. And then, when Freddie Gray died in Baltimore
a few years ago… MARK SHIELDS: Yes. DAVID BROOKS: … he was at — spoke at the
funeral, very impassioned, very righteous about the wrongs that have been done. But then, when the riots started in the area
near where he was living, he went out there with a bullhorn and tried to calm things down,
so both strong, but also respecting order and law. MARK SHIELDS: That’s right. JUDY WOODRUFF: Remembering Elijah Cummings. David Brooks, Mark Shields, thank you. MARK SHIELDS: Thank you. Thank you, Judy. JUDY WOODRUFF: And now a look at an art show
that is both making history and teaching it. Hearts of Our People: Native Women Artists
is the country’s first ever exhibition devoted solely to the works of Native American women. Jeffrey Brown traveled to Minnesota and New
Mexico to meet with some of the team behind the retrospective. It’s part of our ongoing arts and culture
series, Canvas. JEFFREY BROWN: How many artists have a master’s
in fine arts and studied auto mechanics? Meet Rose Simpson, whose day of making art
includes hours coiling clay in her studio, soldering metal pieces for sculptures in her
garage, and spending time under the hood of a 64 Buick Riviera she’s fixing up. Simpson lives and works on the Santa Clara
Pueblo just outside Espanola, New Mexico. Her mother, Roxanne Swentzell, is a ceramicist,
as was her mother, a tradition through time. ROSE SIMPSON, Artist: I come from a long,
long line of artists and creative people. And long line, I mean, like, as far as you
can go back. JEFFREY BROWN: You’re not talking about 10
or 20 years. You’re talking about hundreds. ROSE SIMPSON: Yes, I’m talking about hundreds,
possibly thousands. JEFFREY BROWN: Continuity and seeing art as
part of daily life. Simpson’s work is a contemporary take on the
traditions of her Santa Clara Tewa ancestors. And now she’s part of a groundbreaking exhibition,
the first of its kind dedicated to more than 1,000 years of artistic achievements by Native
American women. Put together by the Minneapolis Institute
of Arts, where we saw it, the exhibition is called Hearts of Our People. JILL AHLBERG YOHE, Co-Curator, Hearts of Our
People: Seeing these works of art together. JEFFREY BROWN: Co-curator Jill Ahlberg Yohe: JILL AHLBERG YOHE: This exhibition was really
necessary in a non-Native context, because it had never been explored before. And that was stunning, because something that
is so clear in Native communities wasn’t at all addressed in the art world. JEFFREY BROWN: On display, some 117 works
of art from more than 50 Native American communities across the U.S. and Canada. There are traditional pieces, like this Anishinaabe
jingle dress created in 1900 and worn for dancing at powwows, and a Hohokam bowl dating
back to 1,000 A.D. There’s also contemporary photography, video
and installation pieces, like Fringe, a 2007 piece by Rebecca Belmore tackling the issue
of violence against Native people, particularly women. Whenever possible, the creators of these works
are named. Rather than generic craftspeople, the exhibition
wants us to see creative individuals making art. JILL AHLBERG YOHE: I think that the way — that
the development of collecting Native American art and the stories that had previously been
told are ones that position Native women as non-artists. JEFFREY BROWN: Contemporary artists are shown
alongside those of their ancestors, highlighting the way Native women’s art has adapted, while
remaining connected to generations past. One example? This towering stack of blankets by Seneca
artist Marie Watt entitled Blanket Stories, displayed next to a traditional Navajo chief’s
blanket from the 1880s. And then there’s Rose Simpson’s piece, a restored
1985 Chevrolet El Camino she named Maria. Sitting at the show’s entrance, it’s paired
with a large vase by the car’s namesake, Maria Martinez, the celebrated pioneer of the black-on-black
Pueblo pottery style emulated in the car’s paint job. But a car as art? Rose Simpson made Maria herself, to use, to
drive. Plus, she realized it holds things, just like
some of her other creations. ROSE SIMPSON: It hit me like, pew, it’s a
pot. It is a super contemporary vessel. This is why there is no disconnect between
life and art. JEFFREY BROWN: No disconnect? ROSE SIMPSON: No. And this is — what does art have to do with
cars? I’m like, what does art have to do with life? What does life have to do with art? The point is that we have ripped art away
from our lives. And so the more I could apply the creative
process to every part of my life, then the stronger I felt as a person. JEFFREY BROWN: Given the show’s size and scope,
Jill Ahlberg Yohe and co-curator Teri Greeves knew they could not put it together alone. They assembled an advisory board of scholars,
historians and artists, 21 women in total, Native and non-Native. DYANI WHITE HAWK, Artist: The work is indigenous,
truly indigenous art form. JEFFREY BROWN: Among the advisers, Dyani White
Hawk of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, a painter and mixed media artist based in Minneapolis. DYANI WHITE HAWK: This exhibit covers 1,000
years. JEFFREY BROWN: Yes. DYANI WHITE HAWK: Still, it was so hard to
pick the pieces that were going to go in the show, because there’s so many that could be. JEFFREY BROWN: White Hawk’s work mixes modern
techniques with traditional Lakota artforms like bead and quill work. She says the recognition of Native women artists
is long overdue. DYANI WHITE HAWK: The vast majority of Native
arts has been supported by women over generations, but it’s an aside. It’s a side note in the way that we understand
and look at American art history. And it’s not a truthful and honest way to
understand the history and artistic history of this land. JEFFREY BROWN: Rose Simpson also served on
the museum’s advisory board. For her, being in the show is an opportunity
to open doors for other Native American artists. ROSE SIMPSON: It’s absolutely about changing
a mind-set. The first step is to infiltrate and then get
respect, and then pull it back the other way. I was handed this — the baton, right? And I have to go further and really respect
it and be responsible with it. JEFFREY BROWN: And she’s choosing to remain
in her rural home, where she’s passing on an ancient artistic tradition to her own daughter. For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m Jeffrey Brown
on the Santa Clara Pueblo in New Mexico. JUDY WOODRUFF: Finally tonight: a milestone
moment. Two American astronauts, both women, stepped
out of the International Space Station for the first all-female space walk. William Brangham has more on this landmark
day. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: The moment Christina Koch
and Jessica Meir began to exit the International Space Station, floating out into space 250
miles from planet Earth, history — or herstory — was made. WOMAN: Right beneath your feet, so don’t move
down. WOMAN: Copy. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Men have been on every single
space walk, all 420 of them, until today. Koch and Meir’s mission was installing lithium
ion batteries to replace the station’s battery charger. Today, President Trump called the two astronauts
from the White House. DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States:
What would you like to tell everyone listening and watching today, especially young women? JESSICA MEIR, NASA Astronaut: We recognize
that it is a historic achievement. And we do, of course, want to give credit
to all those that came before us. There’s been a long line of female scientists,
explorers, engineers and astronauts. And we have followed in their footsteps to
get us where we are today. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Today’s milestone comes
months after the first all-female space walk had originally been planned, but that was
scrapped when NASA revealed that it didn’t have a second spacesuit that would fit a woman. “Saturday Night Live” had some fun with that
one: ACTRESS: I’m not mad. You know, they can make a special spacesuit
for a dog… (LAUGHTER) ACTRESS: … or a special spacesuit for a
monkey. But a human girl? Only one gets to be moon queen. (LAUGHTER) WILLIAM BRANGHAM: The first woman to walk
outside a spacecraft in orbit was Russian cosmonaut Svetlana Savitskaya. That was back in 1984. This was Meir’s first space walk. She’s now the 15th woman to do so. She spoke ahead of today’s historic mission. JESSICA MEIR: What we’re doing now shows all
the work that went in for the decades prior, all the women that worked to get us where
we are today. And I think the nice thing is, for us, we
don’t even really think about it on a daily basis. It’s just normal. We’re part of the team. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: For Koch, this was her fourth
space walk. She’s now scheduled to spend 328 days aboard
the space station, the longest ever by a woman. CHRISTINA KOCH, NASA Astronaut: That, in the
past, women haven’t always been at the table. And it’s wonderful to be contributing to the
human spaceflight program at a time when all contributions are being accepted, when everyone
has a role. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Both Meir and Koch were
selected as part of NASA’s 2013 class. That was NASA’s first class to have an equal
number of male and female astronauts. NASA says it hopes to put the first woman
on the moon by 2024. And, this week, they very publicly unveiled
that mission’s female-friendly spacesuit. For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m William Brangham. JUDY WOODRUFF: You got to love it. We’re celebrating. And that’s the “NewsHour” for tonight. I’m Judy Woodruff. Have a great weekend. Thank you and good night.

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